Bachelorette 8 - Videos - Discussion

nutty1 wrote:

bilolo wrote:

nutty1 wrote:So....they tell Em and at that point, Arie doesn't know she knows. I wonder when they tell him?? That was a big set up, poor Arie, they screwed him.

for me it's Emily who screwed it because she could ask him but did not instead she played with him

I wrote this in Arie's thread, maybe it would be better here.
Wasn't it RS who said Arie was told he could not mention it to Em?
What I don't get it if Arie was that caught up in her, why he didn't just say "screw it"....and tell her they forbid him to mention it??

Also, at that point, Arie had no clue they told her and probably didn't know what she was upset about.
I would love to know when Arie & Em actually discussed it.

So I'm guessing Emily thinks Arie hasn't mentioned it and is hiding it from her, but according to RS Arie was told not to mention it.

I really want to know how Arie and Cassie acted around each other. I guess they acted like they didn't know each other and that is why Emily feels like he is a "good actor."

Fascinator11 wrote:

nutty1 wrote:

bilolo wrote:

nutty1 wrote:So....they tell Em and at that point, Arie doesn't know she knows. I wonder when they tell him?? That was a big set up, poor Arie, they screwed him.

for me it's Emily who screwed it because she could ask him but did not instead she played with him

I wrote this in Arie's thread, maybe it would be better here.
Wasn't it RS who said Arie was told he could not mention it to Em?
What I don't get it if Arie was that caught up in her, why he didn't just say "screw it"....and tell her they forbid him to mention it??

Also, at that point, Arie had no clue they told her and probably didn't know what she was upset about.
I would love to know when Arie & Em actually discussed it.

So I'm guessing Emily thinks Arie hasn't mentioned it and is hiding it from her, but according to RS Arie was told not to mention it.

I really want to know how Arie and Cassie acted around each other. I guess they acted like they didn't know each other and that is why Emily feels like he is a "good actor."

That's definitely the part I'd like to hear more about...just how did Cassie and Arie act around each other. Especially the first time they would have both been around Emily when the filming began. From there on out, they could have just been cordial and matter of fact about whatever was going on during each filming session. The show really did Arie a disservice by telling him it was all taken care of.

i watched the extended vid - and what I wonder is why isn't Em addressing it with Arie - she's being all passive agressive, like I know about you and Cassie, but you need to tell me without me tellling you I know about it.....

she really does sabotage her relationships.

anders wrote:i watched the extended vid - and what I wonder is why isn't Em addressing it with Arie - she's being all passive agressive, like I know about you and Cassie, but you need to tell me without me tellling you I know about it.....

she really does sabotage her relationships.

It really does appear to be a strange set-up situation. Even wonder why Cassie wouldn't approach Arie on the topic, or say "hello" sometime during the preceeding weeks. All three (Arie, Cassie, and Emily) hold some of the responsibility, but MF probaby holds the largest share of blame for the drama--which I'm sure he would take as a compliment!

anders wrote:i watched the extended vid - and what I wonder is why isn't Em addressing it with Arie - she's being all passive agressive, like I know about you and Cassie, but you need to tell me without me tellling you I know about it.....

she really does sabotage her relationships.

I get what you are saying but don't forget she really isn't in a relationship right now. So maybe in a real relationship she would come right out and ask.
For all we know she has TBPT whispering in her ear- you really need to find out if the men are honest. Maybe they were doing this from day 1- coaching her. There is only one way to do this, by seeing if they will tell you- not by you calling them out on it.

In fact it makes totally sense to me that they set it all up right from the beginning. For all we know they bring on relationship coaches to tell her what to look for before the show starts and how to drag it out of the men. So they told her about Doug and his violence with a previous girlfriend- probably said listen we have researched it, he went through therapy, he is all the better for it, well respected in his community. But is he going to be honest? If he is willing to tell you about it that is a good sign. it won't help if you let him know you know, see if you can get him to tell you. That will be a big sign of how important honesty and communication is in a relationship.
She did exactly that with Doug- i feel like you are hiding something from me....
They set her up with Arie for the same thing.
I don't feel like they thought it was big enough to break up a relationship in the end (10 yrs ago, a couple of dates) but probably felt it was going to make some good drama along the way.

If we can give the benefit of the doubt to Arie for being set up or told by TBPT he is not allowed to address it, why does Emily not get the same benefit of the doubt?
I think they are all pawns and i am hoping that despite the machinations of TBPT that there is a love story that manages to find its way through- I am hoping for JEM, but would be happy with the others as well. :Smiley:

Minney wrote:

anders wrote:i watched the extended vid - and what I wonder is why isn't Em addressing it with Arie - she's being all passive agressive, like I know about you and Cassie, but you need to tell me without me tellling you I know about it.....

she really does sabotage her relationships.

It really does appear to be a strange set-up situation. Even wonder why Cassie wouldn't approach Arie on the topic, or say "hello" sometime during the preceeding weeks. All three (Arie, Cassie, and Emily) hold some of the responsibility, but MF probaby holds the largest share of blame for the drama--which I'm sure he would take as a compliment!

and that's another thing - why wouldn't Cassie find 2 seconds to whisper to Arie that Em knows......it's all a staged setup that's insulting to the viewers intelligence.

shannonmac wrote:

anders wrote:i watched the extended vid - and what I wonder is why isn't Em addressing it with Arie - she's being all passive agressive, like I know about you and Cassie, but you need to tell me without me tellling you I know about it.....

she really does sabotage her relationships.

I get what you are saying but don't forget she really isn't in a relationship right now. So maybe in a real relationship she would come right out and ask.
For all we know she has TBPT whispering in her ear- you really need to find out if the men are honest. Maybe they were doing this from day 1- coaching her. There is only one way to do this, by seeing if they will tell you- not by you calling them out on it.

In fact it makes totally sense to me that they set it all up right from the beginning. For all we know they bring on relationship coaches to tell her what to look for before the show starts and how to drag it out of the men. So they told her about Doug and his violence with a previous girlfriend- probably said listen we have researched it, he went through therapy, he is all the better for it, well respected in his community. But is he going to be honest? If he is willing to tell you about it that is a good sign. it won't help if you let him know you know, see if you can get him to tell you. That will be a big sign of how important honesty and communication is in a relationship.
She did exactly that with Doug- i feel like you are hiding something from me....
They set her up with Arie for the same thing.
I don't feel like they thought it was big enough to break up a relationship in the end (10 yrs ago, a couple of dates) but probably felt it was going to make some good drama along the way.

If we can give the benefit of the doubt to Arie for being set up or told by TBPT he is not allowed to address it, why does Emily not get the same benefit of the doubt?
I think they are all pawns and i am hoping that despite the machinations of TBPT that there is a love story that manages to find its way through- I am hoping for JEM, but would be happy with the others as well. :Smiley:

with all the pointed and intimate questions she's been asking all these guys about marriage, Ricki...etc.....this is the issue she doesn't want to discuss......don't buy it.

And I'm not giving Arie a pass for not telling Em about it (was he actually told not to bring it up - we'll never know). He's just as guilty as she is as far as not being honest, but when Em finds out she doesn't address it head on, she uses it to discredit him as being dishonest and that's dishonest on her part.

Okay, I have one question from that video. Okay not one.

Could you make a group date any more awkward by cramming 3 guys and 1 girl into a horse drawn carriage together? I am suprised a fight didin't break out???

anders wrote:

shannonmac wrote:

anders wrote:i watched the extended vid - and what I wonder is why isn't Em addressing it with Arie - she's being all passive agressive, like I know about you and Cassie, but you need to tell me without me tellling you I know about it.....

she really does sabotage her relationships.

I get what you are saying but don't forget she really isn't in a relationship right now. So maybe in a real relationship she would come right out and ask.
For all we know she has TBPT whispering in her ear- you really need to find out if the men are honest. Maybe they were doing this from day 1- coaching her. There is only one way to do this, by seeing if they will tell you- not by you calling them out on it.

In fact it makes totally sense to me that they set it all up right from the beginning. For all we know they bring on relationship coaches to tell her what to look for before the show starts and how to drag it out of the men. So they told her about Doug and his violence with a previous girlfriend- probably said listen we have researched it, he went through therapy, he is all the better for it, well respected in his community. But is he going to be honest? If he is willing to tell you about it that is a good sign. it won't help if you let him know you know, see if you can get him to tell you. That will be a big sign of how important honesty and communication is in a relationship.
She did exactly that with Doug- i feel like you are hiding something from me....
They set her up with Arie for the same thing.
I don't feel like they thought it was big enough to break up a relationship in the end (10 yrs ago, a couple of dates) but probably felt it was going to make some good drama along the way.

If we can give the benefit of the doubt to Arie for being set up or told by TBPT he is not allowed to address it, why does Emily not get the same benefit of the doubt?
I think they are all pawns and i am hoping that despite the machinations of TBPT that there is a love story that manages to find its way through- I am hoping for JEM, but would be happy with the others as well. :Smiley:

with all the pointed and intimate questions she's been asking all these guys about marriage, Ricki...etc.....this is the issue she doesn't want to discuss......don't buy it.

And I'm not giving Arie a pass for not telling Em about it (was he actually told not to bring it up - we'll never know). He's just as guilty as she is as far as not being honest, but when Em finds out she doesn't address it head on, she uses it to discredit him as being dishonest and that's dishonest on her part.

I shouldn't have worded it that way Anders- re passes for Arie vs Emily. It was really more about the machine vs the contestants
Honestly when I first saw the clips that there was trouble afoot with honesty over Cassie starting a few weeks back, I was all about why didn't he tell her..
Now I honestly feel both of them were severely manipulated. That doesn't mean I don't think that both Emily and Arie couldn't use some relationship coaching but I also think TBPT was well aware of what buttons they could push with Emily and Arie to get them to react the way they did.
Just watching the video and Chris's intro to the "issue" and intro'ing Cassie- they are lovin' this!

I wonder if we will get to hear an real comments from Arie or Emily about their real thoughts on whether they were manipulated or not after. Or if it will all be good bachelor PR

Man oh man! Arie and Jef's dates look hot! That kiss after the puppets gave me shivers!

It sounded to me that Emily had known for a while. It was something that she was waiting for Arie to mention. I don't believe anything RS says this season. He has gotten too much wrong to be considered reliable. Also, if Arie was told not to mention it, wouldn't he tell that to Emily later? And then wouldn't Emily be mad at Cassie? Not Arie? I think she knew, didn't think it was a big deal but wanted him to tell her and when he didn't, it then became a red flag.

It looks like for both Arie and Jef we may finally see some substance.

I thought playing with the marionettes was cute, and probably again foreshadows that Jef would be a good dad.
He could play Barbies with a 7 yr old girl

Loved how he poked his marionette's nose into Emily's marionette's eye. LOL!