Bachelorette 8 - Videos - Discussion

veg_out wrote:

I don't personalize the show's situations mostly because they aren't real. They stage or script situations that evoke a reaction based on the insights gleaned from extensive psychological evaluations--that's a proven fact. The lead or characters' reactions really are the only parts that are 75% real. They know the insecurities of everyone there, including their lead, and they set up the interactions to play on those insecurities. Hence the storyboards.

I once sat next to a producer during a flight to Phoenix. He filmed a reality show for a smaller network, so I asked him if anything was real. He told me that everything was staged; that a producer is in the various characters' ears each day directing them, "Today, you are going to pick a fight when you're on the date. When asked if something's wrong, deny it." I saw it play out with Ben. The producers convinced him that Ashley was in love with him. Look at what they did to Ashley with Bentley. They are doing the same here. Emily is massively insecure and they are working her over. In the end, it's a TV show that's built on drama and raw emotion. If someone makes it out of the show in love, it's a bonus.

For whatever reason, the show didn't want Emily with Arie. They set up enough obstacles, including this one which would largely be read by Southern Belle Emily as rude, and knew it would add to the topple of Emrie. They also capitalized on the insecurity she felt with Arie to pivot her fully towards Jef for a very specific reason.

P.S. I am a Ryan fan first and foremost.

veg_out wrote:

I don't personalize the show's situations mostly because they aren't real. They stage or script situations that evoke a reaction based on the insights gleaned from extensive psychological evaluations--that's a proven fact. The lead or characters' reactions really are the only parts that are 75% real. They know the insecurities of everyone there, including their lead, and they set up the interactions to play on those insecurities. Hence the storyboards.

I once sat next to a producer during a flight to Phoenix. He filmed a reality show for a smaller network, so I asked him if anything was real. He told me that everything was staged; that a producer is in the various characters' ears each day directing them, "Today, you are going to pick a fight when you're on the date. When asked if something's wrong, deny it." I saw it play out with Ben. The producers convinced him that Ashley was in love with him. Look at what they did to Ashley with Bentley. They are doing the same here. Emily is massively insecure and they are working her over. In the end, it's a TV show that's built on drama and raw emotion. If someone makes it out of the show in love, it's a bonus.

For whatever reason, the show didn't want Emily with Arie. They set up enough obstacles, including this one which would largely be read by Southern Belle Emily as rude, and knew it would add to the topple of Emrie. They also capitalized on the insecurity she felt with Arie to pivot her fully towards Jef for a very specific reason.

P.S. I am a Ryan fan first and foremost.

veg_out wrote:
For whatever reason, the show didn't want Emily with Arie. They set up enough obstacles, including this one which would largely be read by Southern Belle Emily as rude, and knew it would add to the topple of Emrie. They also capitalized on the insecurity she felt with Arie to pivot her fully towards Jef for a very specific reason. ETA: If they succeeded in the end in keeping her and Arie apart, that's TBD.

P.S. I am a Ryan fan first and foremost.

veg_out wrote:

LoveDovez wrote:

veg_out wrote:The behavior of both Emily and Arie during that scene offers a clue that Arie and his family were strongly encouraged to engage in this conversation, excluding Emily.

Maybe they wanted to see her reaction, but I largely think they're unstitching them one by one.

I can't see where they felt they HAD to do this. Veg, say you had a daughter in Em's place would you have wanted some family to do her this way and please take your liking Arie out of the equation here while thinking about this..

I don't personalize the show's situations mostly because they aren't real. They stage or script situations that evoke a reaction based on the insights gleaned from extensive psychological evaluations--that's a proven fact. The lead or characters' reactions really are the only parts that are 75% real. They know the insecurities of everyone there, including their lead, and they set up the interactions to play on those insecurities. Hence the storyboards.

I once sat next to a producer during a flight to Phoenix. He filmed a reality show for a smaller network, so I asked him if anything was real. He told me that everything was staged; that a producer is in the various characters' ears each day directing them, "Today, you are going to pick a fight when you're on the date. When asked if something's wrong, deny it." I saw it play out with Ben. The producers convinced him that Ashley was in love with him. Look at what they did to Ashley with Bentley. They are doing the same here. Emily is massively insecure and they are working her over. In the end, it's a TV show that's built on drama and raw emotion. If someone makes it out of the show in love, it's a bonus.

For whatever reason, the show didn't want Emily with Arie. They set up enough obstacles, including this one which would largely be read by Southern Belle Emily as rude, and knew it would add to the topple of Emrie. They also capitalized on the insecurity she felt with Arie to pivot her fully towards Jef for a very specific reason. ETA: If they succeeded in the end in keeping her and Arie apart, that's TBD.

P.S. I am a Ryan fan first and foremost.

luluvega wrote:

veg_out wrote:
For whatever reason, the show didn't want Emily with Arie. They set up enough obstacles, including this one which would largely be read by Southern Belle Emily as rude, and knew it would add to the topple of Emrie. They also capitalized on the insecurity she felt with Arie to pivot her fully towards Jef for a very specific reason. ETA: If they succeeded in the end in keeping her and Arie apart, that's TBD.

P.S. I am a Ryan fan first and foremost.

I agree with much of the above, except that I will add that I believe Arie was very aware of what the producers were doing and was working with the script he was given. As they all were, to varying degrees. Ms. Emily knew the score during Brad 2.0 and I think she knows the score now. Taking Love_Me's spoiler into account, I suspect that Emily has chosen the F1 that is going to work for her purposes, whether they be love and marriage, an entertainment career, or just a fun time.

I don't personalize the show's situations mostly because they aren't real. They stage or script situations that evoke a reaction based on the insights gleaned from extensive psychological evaluations--that's a proven fact. The lead or characters' reactions really are the only parts that are 75% real. They know the insecurities of everyone there, including their lead, and they set up the interactions to play on those insecurities. Hence the storyboards.

I once sat next to a producer during a flight to Phoenix. He filmed a reality show for a smaller network, so I asked him if anything was real. He told me that everything was staged; that a producer is in the various characters' ears each day directing them, "Today, you are going to pick a fight when you're on the date. When asked if something's wrong, deny it." I saw it play out with Ben. The producers convinced him that Ashley was in love with him. Look at what they did to Ashley with Bentley. They are doing the same here. Emily is massively insecure and they are working her over. In the end, it's a TV show that's built on drama and raw emotion. If someone makes it out of the show in love, it's a bonus.

For whatever reason, the show didn't want Emily with Arie. They set up enough obstacles, including this one which would largely be read by Southern Belle Emily as rude, and knew it would add to the topple of Emrie. They also capitalized on the insecurity she felt with Arie to pivot her fully towards Jef for a very specific reason.

P.S. I am a Ryan fan first and foremost.

ironcat wrote:

veg_out wrote:

LoveDovez wrote:

veg_out wrote:The behavior of both Emily and Arie during that scene offers a clue that Arie and his family were strongly encouraged to engage in this conversation, excluding Emily.

Maybe they wanted to see her reaction, but I largely think they're unstitching them one by one.

I can't see where they felt they HAD to do this. Veg, say you had a daughter in Em's place would you have wanted some family to do her this way and please take your liking Arie out of the equation here while thinking about this..

I don't personalize the show's situations mostly because they aren't real. They stage or script situations that evoke a reaction based on the insights gleaned from extensive psychological evaluations--that's a proven fact. The lead or characters' reactions really are the only parts that are 75% real. They know the insecurities of everyone there, including their lead, and they set up the interactions to play on those insecurities. Hence the storyboards.

I once sat next to a producer during a flight to Phoenix. He filmed a reality show for a smaller network, so I asked him if anything was real. He told me that everything was staged; that a producer is in the various characters' ears each day directing them, "Today, you are going to pick a fight when you're on the date. When asked if something's wrong, deny it." I saw it play out with Ben. The producers convinced him that Ashley was in love with him. Look at what they did to Ashley with Bentley. They are doing the same here. Emily is massively insecure and they are working her over. In the end, it's a TV show that's built on drama and raw emotion. If someone makes it out of the show in love, it's a bonus.

For whatever reason, the show didn't want Emily with Arie. They set up enough obstacles, including this one which would largely be read by Southern Belle Emily as rude, and knew it would add to the topple of Emrie. They also capitalized on the insecurity she felt with Arie to pivot her fully towards Jef for a very specific reason. ETA: If they succeeded in the end in keeping her and Arie apart, that's TBD.

P.S. I am a Ryan fan first and foremost.

Veg, I don't buy (and I don't know if you're actually implying) that the only reason that Emily didn't pick Arie is because of the producer manipulation, and had the things you mentioned not happened, she'd be engaged to him right now. One could also say that the producers waiting until episode 5 to give both Jef and Sean their dates, while giving Arie an earlier one, was an effort on their part to steer her towards Arie and away from the other two. If they really didn't want her to pick Arie, why not give him the later date and Jef the earlier one? And why allow him to "sneak out" in Croatia to see her when they easily could have stopped him?

tigertiz wrote:veg_out wrote:

I don't personalize the show's situations mostly because they aren't real. They stage or script situations that evoke a reaction based on the insights gleaned from extensive psychological evaluations--that's a proven fact. The lead or characters' reactions really are the only parts that are 75% real. They know the insecurities of everyone there, including their lead, and they set up the interactions to play on those insecurities. Hence the storyboards.

I once sat next to a producer during a flight to Phoenix. He filmed a reality show for a smaller network, so I asked him if anything was real. He told me that everything was staged; that a producer is in the various characters' ears each day directing them, "Today, you are going to pick a fight when you're on the date. When asked if something's wrong, deny it." I saw it play out with Ben. The producers convinced him that Ashley was in love with him. Look at what they did to Ashley with Bentley. They are doing the same here. Emily is massively insecure and they are working her over. In the end, it's a TV show that's built on drama and raw emotion. If someone makes it out of the show in love, it's a bonus.

For whatever reason, the show didn't want Emily with Arie. They set up enough obstacles, including this one which would largely be read by Southern Belle Emily as rude, and knew it would add to the topple of Emrie. They also capitalized on the insecurity she felt with Arie to pivot her fully towards Jef for a very specific reason.

P.S. I am a Ryan fan first and foremost.

They wanted to steer Arie and Emily together , in order to have a shocking elimination later. I think once they realized they had an extraordinarily compelling future Bachelor lead in the making , they had to make sure he would be heartbroken and single at the end.

tigertiz wrote:veg_out wrote:

I don't personalize the show's situations mostly because they aren't real. They stage or script situations that evoke a reaction based on the insights gleaned from extensive psychological evaluations--that's a proven fact. The lead or characters' reactions really are the only parts that are 75% real. They know the insecurities of everyone there, including their lead, and they set up the interactions to play on those insecurities. Hence the storyboards.

I once sat next to a producer during a flight to Phoenix. He filmed a reality show for a smaller network, so I asked him if anything was real. He told me that everything was staged; that a producer is in the various characters' ears each day directing them, "Today, you are going to pick a fight when you're on the date. When asked if something's wrong, deny it." I saw it play out with Ben. The producers convinced him that Ashley was in love with him. Look at what they did to Ashley with Bentley. They are doing the same here. Emily is massively insecure and they are working her over. In the end, it's a TV show that's built on drama and raw emotion. If someone makes it out of the show in love, it's a bonus.

For whatever reason, the show didn't want Emily with Arie. They set up enough obstacles, including this one which would largely be read by Southern Belle Emily as rude, and knew it would add to the topple of Emrie. They also capitalized on the insecurity she felt with Arie to pivot her fully towards Jef for a very specific reason.

P.S. I am a Ryan fan first and foremost.

They wanted to steer Arie and Emily together , in order to have a shocking elimination later. I think once they realized they had an extraordinarily compelling future Bachelor lead in the making , they had to make sure he would be heartbroken and single at the end.

veg_out wrote:

luluvega wrote:

veg_out wrote:
For whatever reason, the show didn't want Emily with Arie. They set up enough obstacles, including this one which would largely be read by Southern Belle Emily as rude, and knew it would add to the topple of Emrie. They also capitalized on the insecurity she felt with Arie to pivot her fully towards Jef for a very specific reason. ETA: If they succeeded in the end in keeping her and Arie apart, that's TBD.

P.S. I am a Ryan fan first and foremost.

I agree with much of the above, except that I will add that I believe Arie was very aware of what the producers were doing and was working with the script he was given. As they all were, to varying degrees. Ms. Emily knew the score during Brad 2.0 and I think she knows the score now. Taking Love_Me's spoiler into account, I suspect that Emily has chosen the F1 that is going to work for her purposes, whether they be love and marriage, an entertainment career, or just a fun time.

Though it conflicts with Love's spoilers that Arie genuinely fell for Emily, I do remember Ryan's comment about Jef and Arie "playing into things." I interpret that to mean playing into production, which leads me to consider all manner of things, including Arie and Jef's agreements with the show. I do think that both men may have developed strong feelings, or what they thought were strong feelings, for Emily much to their own surprise just given the environment. That doesn't preclude them from also aiding the production in achieving desired effects.

I'm not sure when Emily decided her F1, and I honestly don't know what to think about it.

shoepie wrote:

tigertiz wrote:veg_out wrote:

I don't personalize the show's situations mostly because they aren't real. They stage or script situations that evoke a reaction based on the insights gleaned from extensive psychological evaluations--that's a proven fact. The lead or characters' reactions really are the only parts that are 75% real. They know the insecurities of everyone there, including their lead, and they set up the interactions to play on those insecurities. Hence the storyboards.

I once sat next to a producer during a flight to Phoenix. He filmed a reality show for a smaller network, so I asked him if anything was real. He told me that everything was staged; that a producer is in the various characters' ears each day directing them, "Today, you are going to pick a fight when you're on the date. When asked if something's wrong, deny it." I saw it play out with Ben. The producers convinced him that Ashley was in love with him. Look at what they did to Ashley with Bentley. They are doing the same here. Emily is massively insecure and they are working her over. In the end, it's a TV show that's built on drama and raw emotion. If someone makes it out of the show in love, it's a bonus.

For whatever reason, the show didn't want Emily with Arie. They set up enough obstacles, including this one which would largely be read by Southern Belle Emily as rude, and knew it would add to the topple of Emrie. They also capitalized on the insecurity she felt with Arie to pivot her fully towards Jef for a very specific reason.

P.S. I am a Ryan fan first and foremost.

They wanted to steer Arie and Emily together , in order to have a shocking elimination later. I think once they realized they had an extraordinarily compelling future Bachelor lead in the making , they had to make sure he would be heartbroken and single at the end.

As I have come to understand: They want and allow the lead to make connections at the M&G. Many hours later most report they have a top 5. Production chooses the rest to make sure the keep some drama possibilities. Production does not know these men yet until they see how they interact with the group in action. Sometimes they are surprised they have drama where they did not expect it. No one person is hired to be in a certain slot. There is no need for that. They want chemistry to happen with the lead and they cannot predict or steer that. They don't care who she/he chooses. They have a story regardless.

Sceens are reshot if producers get an idea of how it would go better always in seek of drama. One example I spotted was when Jef said he broke up with a girl because his parents didnt like her. His family confirmed my suspicions later when they were shocked and said it never happened. I think Jef probably said, of course not. During these reshoots they get to know each other better and probably have a laugh and bond more or not. They get to see each other outside of the stilted sceenes we have to sit through. More outakes please!

And, of course, we have totally manipulated to the hilt reality shows that are so over the top ridiculous that we can spot that immediately. It is not the same across the board.