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I'm sure Jef, who knows nothing of the details, would just spend his time with Emily trying to find out why Arie feels she doesn't trust him. For real? This wasn't junior high. And Arie and Jef may be rational and mature and talk about things, but they aren't really like girls who might go and ask such a thing on their friend's behalf.nutty1 wrote:cindebugg wrote:docnash14 wrote:pavalygurl wrote:Alanna wrote:Yeah, I kinda don't get it. Arie couldn't figure it out on his own why Emily was being distrustful? Curious!Archer23 wrote:I find Jef's comments about the Arie/Cassie situation fascinating and enlightening. I know CH and Cassie have tried to downplay the situation, but Jef's comments make me question that a little bit.
Which leads me to think even more that he (Arie) was led to believe Emily already knew about his dating Cassie. Otherwise, it would be the obvious thing.
I agree. Speaking of Jef's comments about the Arie/Cassie situation, I found it noteworthy that he did not find out about it until he got home. Sure seems to me that Emily would have mentioned it to him!
I can't imagine Jef not asking her about it.
How could he have asked if he didn't know?
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Piper61 wrote:docnash14 wrote:pavalygurl wrote:Alanna wrote:Yeah, I kinda don't get it. Arie couldn't figure it out on his own why Emily was being distrustful? Curious!Archer23 wrote:I find Jef's comments about the Arie/Cassie situation fascinating and enlightening. I know CH and Cassie have tried to downplay the situation, but Jef's comments make me question that a little bit.
Which leads me to think even more that he (Arie) was led to believe Emily already knew about his dating Cassie. Otherwise, it would be the obvious thing.
I agree. Speaking of Jef's comments about the Arie/Cassie situation, I found it noteworthy that he did not find out about it until he got home. Sure seems to me that Emily would have mentioned it to him!
But by Jef's own words, they didn't talk that much about the other guys. Their focus was on each other. He did mention bringing up the other guys and how their relationships were going, but it seemed like that was less frequent than anything else. I don't think it's something she needed to ask him or tell him about. Nor would it have been appropriate really by his standards to ask her about it. The only things he would want her to know were things that would be hurtful to her. Case in point, Kalong. Case not in point..the thought that Ryan wasn't right for her in the minds of the guys. That would be assuming too much it seems for him, and he wasn't going to go down that road to meddle in her relationships that way. He had his line, and if it was crossed, then he'd make sure she knew somehow, either by him or someone else if he wasn't going to see her.
I believe the poster is talking about after filming is done and Emily and Jef had a chance to talk about things that happened previously. I'm almost certain that after filming this crazy show the lead and her F1 are going to talk about the other guys. Especially Arie since by all accounts he and Jef had the closest relationship in the house.
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iamreal2u wrote:Dr_Hottie wrote:Pattycake92 wrote:She probably didn't mention it because she was focused on her f1.
But doesn't it seem a little odd? Jef tells us he and Arie discussed their dates and that Ari expressed that Em seemed upset he was hiding something. Jef also tells us that he quizzed Em on her relationships with the other guys. If Arie is his best bro on the show and Em is his #1 gal, shouldn't it have come up--at some point? Not positing some big conspiracy theory, just find it strange.
Still can't get over that they are falling in love with the same girl and they are not a tiny bit jealous of each other. It is human nature to be jealous and pissed. You are somewhat intimate, falling in love, and then sharing the details about it. Umm...
I wasn't buying the jelouse issue either. Just because of a couple comments here and there that he's made. He plays the cool role so well he may believe it. I think he is cool but he is still a man claiming to have feelings serious enough to lead to marriage. The time Arie came back after Emily talked to him about the Kalon thing at first Jef seems surprised and a little concerned that Atie was worried for the first time. not much later innthe scene he starts talking about how he could see it bothering her if someone doesn't speak up etc etc... He wasn't exactly kicking him when he's down it just came off weird for me in that moment to go there if this is your friend telling you he's bummed. . Even in this interview when the CL part comes up he doesn't totally throw Arie under the bus but he also goes a little out of his way and makes him look bad at the same time. He throws mini digs I think sometime which to me is a jelousesy trait. Plus, when someone (maybe Sean) gets a one on one date in Bremuda or London, doesn't Arie say I'm jelouse and Jef looks right at him and says I'm jelouse too ? Pretty sure he does ...pretty sure indeed.
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shannonmac wrote:canyonvue wrote:Bloven wrote:Ok so the whole wedding answer is bothering me now. I'm thinking it was pretty weird. Sweet but so so odd! First he says he doesnt know if Arie is engaged ???? Well I'm pretty sure he would. If he is engaged to Emily than Arie couldn't be and he continues to say they remained friends and he thinks Arie will invite him to the wedding? And the reason he knows for a fact things wouldn't be weird should Arie be engaged to Emily is because why? Does he mean its b/c one of them is engaged to her and they are still cool?! The strangest part of all is him saying he would go to the wedding but wonders if it would be weird for Emily. I took that like he is conceeding that he lost but is concerned she would feel bad with him being ther b/c she didn't pick him but he still wants to go anyway because he loves them both. Random who could have that kinda strength if you fell in love with this girl?
I dunno ... I know many are throwing a parade over this interview so maybe I'm just :sourgrapes: But some of it sounds like he won and some seemed like he could care less. The whole never dating on tv again and not being the Bach made me lean toward him not enjoying his overall expierence.
Obviously, he's going to disguise the truth, so he's doing the best to do that, by saying he doesn't know if Arie's engaged. If he said yes, that would cause problems. If he said no, that would cause problems. What else could he say?
And then he's asked, wonder if it's Emily? So, he has to go along with that and explain how he'd feel and how she might feel, which is either real, or just how he supposes it would be, if it were so.
I'm sure he knows. He just has to answer the question vaguely.
If you look at that article it is not an interview but a gathering of quotes from the TV reality interviews. Particularly they used the half of the quote that Arie had said re My fiance. My guess is Jef's answer is a partial from part 2 of the Reality Tv interview (that we don't get til monday -grrh) They are putting there own spin on it.
Speaking of spins- heres mine on Jef's answer. Remember Jef has a great sense of humor and he is tricky.
Article: if Arie ties the knot with Emily. "I know for a fact it wouldn't be awkward between Arie and me, but I would wonder if it would be okay with Emily," he worried. "We had something different than what she had with any of the other guys. I would want to be there because I love and care for Emily and Arie."
He could be saying: Not awkward for Arie and me (means because I know its not true) but I wonder if it would be okay with Emily? means Emily is in love with me so it might not be okay with her?
Could easily be wrong but it is just one way of looking at it.
I mean maybe. It's just they appeared to be talking in terms of if arie and Emily tied the knot not if Jef thought there friendship will become akward if one of the two of them is to marry her. Know what I mean?
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Thanks. I missed them if they were posted around here.doantam wrote:Piper61 wrote:Any links to that affect? Think it's sour grapes? Jealousy if so? I think Joe coming out and saying Emily is into Jef because of his deep pockets was very classless and tacky. Especially since she seemed to like him, but realized they didn't mesh in areas important to her.doantam wrote:it is strange that the two strongest contenders are best friends in the house, are not jealous of each other and appears to share things about their dates.
One would think at this stage it is natural to feel a little bit of jealousy if you are really falling in love.
It also seems like, from Arie and Jef's interviews, Arie and Jef segregate themselves from the rest of the guys. All the guys that [/[b]b]left seem to be rooting for Sean. Interesting.
You can look up (google) interviews from Charlie, Ryan or any guy who gave interviews after they were off the show, except Joe of course.
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cindebugg wrote:Piper61 wrote:docnash14 wrote:pavalygurl wrote:Alanna wrote:Yeah, I kinda don't get it. Arie couldn't figure it out on his own why Emily was being distrustful? Curious!Archer23 wrote:I find Jef's comments about the Arie/Cassie situation fascinating and enlightening. I know CH and Cassie have tried to downplay the situation, but Jef's comments make me question that a little bit.
Which leads me to think even more that he (Arie) was led to believe Emily already knew about his dating Cassie. Otherwise, it would be the obvious thing.
I agree. Speaking of Jef's comments about the Arie/Cassie situation, I found it noteworthy that he did not find out about it until he got home. Sure seems to me that Emily would have mentioned it to him!
But by Jef's own words, they didn't talk that much about the other guys. Their focus was on each other. He did mention bringing up the other guys and how their relationships were going, but it seemed like that was less frequent than anything else. I don't think it's something she needed to ask him or tell him about. Nor would it have been appropriate really by his standards to ask her about it. The only things he would want her to know were things that would be hurtful to her. Case in point, Kalong. Case not in point..the thought that Ryan wasn't right for her in the minds of the guys. That would be assuming too much it seems for him, and he wasn't going to go down that road to meddle in her relationships that way. He had his line, and if it was crossed, then he'd make sure she knew somehow, either by him or someone else if he wasn't going to see her.
I believe the poster is talking about after filming is done and Emily and Jef had a chance to talk about things that happened previously. I'm almost certain that after filming this crazy show the lead and her F1 are going to talk about the other guys. Especially Arie since by all accounts he and Jef had the closest relationship in the house.
True but he can't say I didn't know until after the show was over and Emily told me when we were talking about the other guys. Also maybe the first few days was just about them and they discussed the season on their first sequestered visit. That would have been after he got home.
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[/bBloven wrote:iamreal2u wrote:Dr_Hottie wrote:Pattycake92 wrote:She probably didn't mention it because she was focused on her f1.
But doesn't it seem a little odd? Jef tells us he and Arie discussed their dates and that Ari expressed that Em seemed upset he was hiding something. Jef also tells us that he quizzed Em on her relationships with the other guys. If Arie is his best bro on the show and Em is his #1 gal, shouldn't it have come up--at some point? Not positing some big conspiracy theory, just find it strange.
Still can't get over that they are falling in love with the same girl and they are not a tiny bit jealous of each other. It is human nature to be jealous and pissed. You are somewhat intimate, falling in love, and then sharing the details about it. Umm...
I wasn't buying the jelouse issue either. Just because of a couple comments here and there that he's made. He plays the cool role so well he may believe it. I think he is cool but he is still a man claiming to have feelings serious enough to lead to marriage. The time Arie came back after Emily talked to him about the Kalon thing at first Jef seems surprised and a little concerned that Atie was worried for the first time. not much later innthe scene he starts talking about how he could see it bothering her if someone doesn't speak up etc etc... He wasn't exactly kicking him when he's down it just came off weird for me in that moment to go there if this is your friend telling you he's bummed. . Even in this interview when the CL part comes up he doesn't totally throw Arie under the bus but he also goes a little out of his way and makes him look bad at the same time. He throws mini digs I think sometime which to me is a jelousesy trait. Plus, when someone (maybe Sean) gets a one on one date in Bremuda or London, doesn't[b] Arie say I'm jelouse and Jef looks right at him and says I'm jelouse too ? Pretty sure he does ...pretty sure indeed.
I remember that and I don't think it was meant as in "I'm jealous of Sean" it was more a "I wish it was me going on that date".
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Piper61 wrote:For sure, Arie should have mentioned it. This in no way should be turned on Jef, nor Emily. I would bet that if Jef were in that position, regardless of what TPTB told him, he would have told her. This is on Arie, Cassie and the rest of the producers. Not Jef. Not Emily.Tiggerlgh wrote:docnash14 wrote:pavalygurl wrote:Alanna wrote:Yeah, I kinda don't get it. Arie couldn't figure it out on his own why Emily was being distrustful? Curious!Archer23 wrote:I find Jef's comments about the Arie/Cassie situation fascinating and enlightening. I know CH and Cassie have tried to downplay the situation, but Jef's comments make me question that a little bit.
Which leads me to think even more that he (Arie) was led to believe Emily already knew about his dating Cassie. Otherwise, it would be the obvious thing.
I agree. Speaking of Jef's comments about the Arie/Cassie situation, I found it noteworthy that he did not find out about it until he got home. Sure seems to me that Emily would have mentioned it to him!
Why would she spend time during the show talking to Jef about Arie when she can be talking to him and furthering their relationship. I am kind of surprised though that Arie didn't mention it to him.
What if Arie really had no clue and didn't think anything of it. It was 10 yrs ago, don't think they went out more than a couple of times- it was not on his radar. Alot of guys are clueless. So when Emily keeps asking questions- he is trying to think of something big he would be hiding. Barely knowing Cassie doesn't qualify as something to hide for him.
or it was part of his contract with TBPT to not mention it. I think they would have spun it like: You cannot bring up that you previously knew the producer cassie on the show so it doesn't appear to taint candidate selection. Then Arie again would have no idea that not bringing it up could negatively impact his relationship with Emily. But TBPT knew along along they had something they could potentially create some drama with.
I just think that Arie is a nice, honest guy and he would have told her if 1. he had any clue what she was talking about or 2. if he was allowed to.
In either scenario I don't think he would have mentioned it to Jef - a. not on his radar b. not allowed to
We will get a better sense once we hear Emily's questions- are they vague?
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If I were Emily, that would be the last thing I'd want to discuss at that time. Plenty of time for that over the phone when they had to separate. :Smiley: But maybe they did...how is Jef supposed to really explain learning it at that time, as opposed to when he got home? While reading about the interviews has been fun, I really wish they weren't doing all of this because it puts all of them in the position of having to be more deceptive in trying to hide the outcome. At some point, it gets tiring and people slip up. I don't think they were all born natural liars. I can't imagine living under those circumstance of having to be secretive for a couple of months with everyone around you.cindebugg wrote:Piper61 wrote:docnash14 wrote:pavalygurl wrote:Alanna wrote:Yeah, I kinda don't get it. Arie couldn't figure it out on his own why Emily was being distrustful? Curious!Archer23 wrote:I find Jef's comments about the Arie/Cassie situation fascinating and enlightening. I know CH and Cassie have tried to downplay the situation, but Jef's comments make me question that a little bit.
Which leads me to think even more that he (Arie) was led to believe Emily already knew about his dating Cassie. Otherwise, it would be the obvious thing.
I agree. Speaking of Jef's comments about the Arie/Cassie situation, I found it noteworthy that he did not find out about it until he got home. Sure seems to me that Emily would have mentioned it to him!
But by Jef's own words, they didn't talk that much about the other guys. Their focus was on each other. He did mention bringing up the other guys and how their relationships were going, but it seemed like that was less frequent than anything else. I don't think it's something she needed to ask him or tell him about. Nor would it have been appropriate really by his standards to ask her about it. The only things he would want her to know were things that would be hurtful to her. Case in point, Kalong. Case not in point..the thought that Ryan wasn't right for her in the minds of the guys. That would be assuming too much it seems for him, and he wasn't going to go down that road to meddle in her relationships that way. He had his line, and if it was crossed, then he'd make sure she knew somehow, either by him or someone else if he wasn't going to see her.
I believe the poster is talking about after filming is done and Emily and Jef had a chance to talk about things that happened previously. I'm almost certain that after filming this crazy show the lead and her F1 are going to talk about the other guys. Especially Arie since by all accounts he and Jef had the closest relationship in the house.
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Sounds like a good take on the situation. Looking at it with the above perspective in favor of Jef becomig F1. Jef is smart and saavy and I will give him credit where credit is due.
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Reading Jef's comments and thinking more about what the heck happened this season makes my head hurt and long for the days I spent figuring out Advanced Biomechanics. So much easier to understand.
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cindebugg wrote:lavenderred wrote:It's interesting you left out what he did when Arie was kissing Emily. This is what Jonifry55 said --canyonvue wrote:sushifan wrote:jlccaz wrote:Reading this? Love_Me nailed it with her spoiler. He's got the girl, and is with the girl. Just my intuition.
The "done with dating on reality TV" and "wouldn't accept the Bachelor if it were offered" strikes me that way, too.
Well, I met him, and I can totally see how he does (have the girl). Nothing phased him while we watched the show Monday with him. He joked about Sean kissing her, pretending he was mad. Everyone was teasing him about it, too. He just watched it not like he was trying to figure things out but just like he wanted to see the show, what they showed. He seemed totally cool about it all, and very happy.
There were a lot of cute girls at the party and you could tell he was there just to tell people about his experience and hang out. But he didn't seem to have any interest other than to just be friendly, with anyone.
Me and Joni's story has always been, he just seemed happy, fine.jonify55 wrote:Several of you asked how he responded to Arie's kissing? He was talking to a girl next to him...but then he left the room during the part when Em and Arie were on the bed and I was glad.
Funny it didn't seem to be a big deal when Emily kissed Sean but when Emily kissed Arie he was "strategically" out of the room. Why didn't he just laugh about those hot kisses with Arie too. Aren't they friends?
Obviously you missed the post that was a follow-up to this discussion. Jef received a phone call during that scene and excused himself from the room! Maybe it was a call from Emily!
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