Re: Bachelorette 8 - Videos - Thread #3

[just logic]

Question, i know in the past we analyzed the RC line up does Jef, Arie and Sean positioning mean anything?

It was always Bloomers who was the expert at this and she's absent most of this season - really miss her because she was the 'edit' expert IMO

[chaslom4]

Short video interview with Ryan

http://www2.wjbf.com/news/2012/jun/19/3/ryan-bowers-talks-about-bachelorette-experience-ar-4002532/

[Iluvbachette]

Short video interview with Ryan

http://www2.wjbf.com/news/2012/jun/19/3/ryan-bowers-talks-about-bachelorette-experience-ar-4002532/

Thanks for posting the link. I liked him throughout the show. I can definately see him doing commercials. He's definately got the looks for it.

[veg_out]

It was always Bloomers who was the expert at this and she's absent most of this season - really miss her because she was the 'edit' expert IMO

I pulled together the RC lineups that I took one season for Bloomers. These caps pertain ONLY to the Bachelorette. Sometimes, Bloomers compared both.

Deanna's season:

F4 but F1 Graham, F5 Twilley, F1 but F4 Jesse , F5 Sean, F2 but F3 Jason, and F3 but F2 Jeremy

Jill's season:

(missing, F1) Ed, F5 Stag, F4 Wes, F5 Jesse, F3 Reid, and F2 Kiptyn

Ali's season:

F3 Frank, F5 Ty, F4 Kirk, F1 Roberto, F2 Chris

Ashley's season:

F3 Dino, F5 Lucas, F4 Ames, F2 Ben, F1 JP

Emily's season:

Jef is standing in the F3 spot per the last two Bachelorette seasons. He's in the F1 spot per Deanna and Jill's season (Ed is missing from that cap). Arie is standing in the F3 spot from Deanna and Jill's seasons, Roberto (F1)'s spot, and Ben's F2 spot. Sean is standing in the F2 spot of all aforementioned seasons except Ashley's. Sean could be standing in the F1 spot like JP.

I understand that some don't put weight on these lineups, but they usually are informative. That second from the right spot seems to be a major wild card in Bachelorette seasons. Jef was either F3 or F1 at this point based on the RC lineups for what it's worth.

Bloomers, if you're out there, feel free to correct any errors!

[just logic]

It was always Bloomers who was the expert at this and she's absent most of this season - really miss her because she was the 'edit' expert IMO

I pulled together the RC lineups that I took one season for Bloomers. These caps pertain ONLY to the Bachelorette. Sometimes, Bloomers compared both.

Deanna's season:

F4 but F1 Graham, F5 Twilley, F1 but F4 Jesse , F5 Sean, F2 but F3 Jason, and F3 but F2 Jeremy

Jill's season:

(missing, F1) Ed, F5 Stag, F4 Wes, F5 Jesse, F3 Reid, and F2 Kiptyn

Ali's season:

F3 Frank, F5 Ty, F4 Kirk, F1 Roberto, F2 Chris

Ashley's season:

F3 Dino, F5 Lucas, F4 Ames, F2 Ben, F1 JP

Emily's season:

Jef is standing in the F3 spot per the last two Bachelorette seasons. He's in the F1 spot per Deanna and Jill's season (Ed is missing from that cap). Arie is standing in the F3 spot from Deanna and Jill's seasons, Roberto (F1)'s spot, and Ben's F2 spot. Sean is standing in the F2 spot of all aforementioned seasons except Ashley's. Sean could be standing in the F1 spot like JP.

I understand that some don't put weight on these lineups, but they usually are informative. That second from the right spot seems to be a major wild card in Bachelorette seasons. Jef was either F3 or F1 at this point based on the RC lineups for what it's worth.

Bloomers, if you're out there, feel free to correct any errors!

Thanks for pulling these together - at least the F3 are in the positions to be the F3 just not sure of the order tptb wanted this year - wonder if it makes a difference when there's a rose? Interesting that the F5 guy's position is the same throughout so maybe that's the important position for the producers in order to get the best camera angles.

[nd4reality]

Could Ems season mirror Ashleys (from the line ups) ? hmmmm

[jjinkc]

I don't know how to pull caps over but I was looking back in the archives for Ben's season because I remembered Bloomers making an observation that in the Ep 5 rose ceremony, the F1, 3 &4 were grouped together and then the F2 was on their own elsewhere in the line up, not necessarily the end. At the point where she noted it, it was only regarding the Ep 5 RC and the pattern had been consistent, for the particular lineup, back to Brad2's season.
Looking at the lineup for Emily's season, it doesn't seem to fit. Sean & Jef are on one end, Chris is clear down at the other and Arie is kind of grouped with Sean/Jef, but Ryan is in between.It is a weird set up for the line up, though,so maybe he would be considered as grouped together.
I was hoping it would have given us an idea of maybe who was supposed to be F2 at this point but I am pretty confident that it wasn't Chris so maybe this pattern is bust, too...

[shannonmac]

It was always Bloomers who was the expert at this and she's absent most of this season - really miss her because she was the 'edit' expert IMO

I pulled together the RC lineups that I took one season for Bloomers. These caps pertain ONLY to the Bachelorette. Sometimes, Bloomers compared both.

Deanna's season:

F4 but F1 Graham, F5 Twilley, F1 but F4 Jesse , F5 Sean, F2 but F3 Jason, and F3 but F2 Jeremy

Jill's season:

(missing, F1) Ed, F5 Stag, F4 Wes, F5 Jesse, F3 Reid, and F2 Kiptyn

Ali's season:

F3 Frank, F5 Ty, F4 Kirk, F1 Roberto, F2 Chris

Ashley's season:

F3 Dino, F5 Lucas, F4 Ames, F2 Ben, F1 JP

Emily's season:

Jef is standing in the F3 spot per the last two Bachelorette seasons. He's in the F1 spot per Deanna and Jill's season (Ed is missing from that cap). Arie is standing in the F3 spot from Deanna and Jill's seasons, Roberto (F1)'s spot, and Ben's F2 spot. Sean is standing in the F2 spot of all aforementioned seasons except Ashley's. Sean could be standing in the F1 spot like JP.

I understand that some don't put weight on these lineups, but they usually are informative. That second from the right spot seems to be a major wild card in Bachelorette seasons. Jef was either F3 or F1 at this point based on the RC lineups for what it's worth.

Bloomers, if you're out there, feel free to correct any errors!

Thanks for pulling these together - at least the F3 are in the positions to be the F3 just not sure of the order tptb wanted this year - wonder if it makes a difference when there's a rose? Interesting that the F5 guy's position is the same throughout so maybe that's the important position for the producers in order to get the best camera angles.

Yes, I always heard it is so they can get good camera angles of the guys reactions to each other getting the rose. But i could be wrong.

[veg_out]

I don't know how to pull caps over but I was looking back in the archives for Ben's season because I remembered Bloomers making an observation that in the Ep 5 rose ceremony, the F1, 3 &4 were grouped together and then the F2 was on their own elsewhere in the line up, not necessarily the end. At the point where she noted it, it was only regarding the Ep 5 RC and the pattern had been consistent, for the particular lineup, back to Brad2's season.
Looking at the lineup for Emily's season, it doesn't seem to fit. Sean & Jef are on one end, Chris is clear down at the other and Arie is kind of grouped with Sean/Jef, but Ryan is in between.It is a weird set up for the line up, though,so maybe he would be considered as grouped together.
I was hoping it would have given us an idea of maybe who was supposed to be F2 at this point but I am pretty confident that it wasn't Chris so maybe this pattern is bust, too...

Hey there, jj, tell me which thread to go to, and I'll pull it over here for us.

[JBF]

Bloomers is the expert here, but we all enjoy studying this stuff. The positions change a lot from ceremony to ceremony. Also Bachelor and Bachelorette tend to be different with the male leads changing their minds frequently and the females being more stubborn in their choices.

These are the patterns I've been noticing...

The object of the game is to keep the frontrunner as far from the "second in command" or/and "third in command" as possible, especially further down the season. It is less of an issue in the early ceremonies when there are more standing. In this way, it is harder for each to see the lead's facial reactions when pinning on the roses.

If you are in the middle (unless your name is Courtney since Ben's season broke some rules), you are vulnerable. You may not leave this ceremony, but you have to step up your game if you want to stick around next week.

In the FIRST rose ceremony, the FEMALE lead is probably asked who she sees as "husband" material and who she sees as more "boyfriend" material. The former category is usually in the FRONT row, the latter in the BACK row. It is from the back that the final two and final four dumpees usually are. The final one is usually up front along with his arch rival... who may become final three if he makes it past hometowns. Of course, this is not written in stone... LOL!

If you are both in the front row of the ceremony and the front row of the meet & greet photo (published in TV Guide or Entertainment Weekly), then you are even more important. The following guys were all front row: Jerry Ferris (Jen), Jesse & Jeremy (Deanna), Ed, Reid & Kiptyn (Jillian), Kirk & Roberto (Ali), JP, Ames & William (Ashley) and Joe & Jef (Emily). I strongly suspect, based on his positioning in both the group photo and rose ceremony, Joe... dumped on episode #2's date... was VERY high on Emily's radar that first night.

In Ashley's season: JP, Ryan and William were likely the top 3 in the early weeks, with Ames and Lucas as additional (but lower down) "husband" possibilities. Four of these five received wedding themed dates in Las Vegas and Taipei. Coincidence? Nope. Bentley was a HUGE question mark since he in the back row in both the group photo AND the rose ceremony. Ashley did NOT view him as "husband" material that first week. Did she when he left? That depends on whether the story they fed us was true.

Constantine probably replaced Ryan as the official F2 dumpee in Taiwan, then Ben replaced Constantine after hometowns because the latter gave them the hint he wanted off the show (foreshadowing his Fantasy Date departure). JP was always at the end of the line-up or one guy inward... or next to the have-roses-already guys. Same with Ryan Park, suggesting he was final two up until his sudden dumping in Taiwan. William was always kept far apart from JP and Ryan, but after the comedy roast, he was vulnerable with any number of guys ready to take his place in the top 3. The fact that Ashley kept him through Chiang Mai and added a rose for him in Phuket suggests how VERY high up the totem poll he was.

With Emily's season, Jef, Joe and Doug, with Tony and Travis as lesser candidates, were Emily's top choices. My guess is that PRODUCTION wanted Chris, Ryan, Sean and Arie to make top 4-6 regardless of Emily's connection. Going by their back row positions in both M&G photo and first ceremony, they were not her top choices on night #1.

In Ali's season, Kirk and Roberto were probably her initial top favorites and Frank an interesting "character" whom Ali grew to like enough for a possible final two dumpee. I was firmly on the Chris Lambton band wagon that season but have realized in hindsight that he came up the ranks later on.

Although both Kiptyn and Reid were in the front row of Jillian's M&G photo, they were not front row in the first rose ceremony like Ed was. Ed was also front row in M&G photo. Alas... she had the hots for Ed in the beginning. Yuck! (Just kiddin'... ha ha!)

[shannonmac]

Bloomers is the expert here, but we all enjoy studying this stuff. The positions change a lot from ceremony to ceremony. Also Bachelor and Bachelorette tend to be different with the male leads changing their minds frequently and the females being more stubborn in their choices.

These are the patterns I've been noticing...

The object of the game is to keep the frontrunner as far from the "second in command" or/and "third in command" as possible, especially further down the season. It is less of an issue in the early ceremonies when there are more standing. In this way, it is harder for each to see the lead's facial reactions when pinning on the roses.

If you are in the middle (unless your name is Courtney since Ben's season broke some rules), you are vulnerable. You may not leave this ceremony, but you have to step up your game if you want to stick around next week.

In the FIRST rose ceremony, the FEMALE lead is probably asked who she sees as "husband" material and who she sees as more "boyfriend" material. The former category is usually in the FRONT row, the latter in the BACK row. It is from the back that the final two and final four dumpees usually are. The final one is usually up front along with his arch rival... who may become final three if he makes it past hometowns. Of course, this is not written in stone... LOL!

If you are both in the front row of the ceremony and the front row of the meet & greet photo (published in TV Guide or Entertainment Weekly), then you are even more important. The following guys were all front row: Jerry Ferris (Jen), Jesse & Jeremy (Deanna), Ed, Reid & Kiptyn (Jillian), Kirk & Roberto (Ali), JP, Ames & William (Ashley) and Joe & Jef (Emily). I strongly suspect, based on his positioning in both the group photo and rose ceremony, Joe... dumped on episode #2's date... was VERY high on Emily's radar that first night.

In Ashley's season: JP, Ryan and William were likely the top 3 in the early weeks, with Ames and Lucas as additional (but lower down) "husband" possibilities. Four of these five received wedding themed dates in Las Vegas and Taipei. Coincidence? Nope. Bentley was a HUGE question mark since he in the back row in both the group photo AND the rose ceremony. Ashley did NOT view him as "husband" material that first week. Did she when he left? That depends on whether the story they fed us was true.

Constantine probably replaced Ryan as the official F2 dumpee in Taiwan, then Ben replaced Constantine after hometowns because the latter gave them the hint he wanted off the show (foreshadowing his Fantasy Date departure). JP was always at the end of the line-up or one guy inward... or next to the have-roses-already guys. Same with Ryan Park, suggesting he was final two up until his sudden dumping in Taiwan. William was always kept far apart from JP and Ryan, but after the comedy roast, he was vulnerable with any number of guys ready to take his place in the top 3. The fact that Ashley kept him through Chiang Mai and added a rose for him in Phuket suggests how VERY high up the totem poll he was.

With Emily's season, Jef, Joe and Doug, with Tony and Travis as lesser candidates, were Emily's top choices. My guess is that PRODUCTION wanted Chris, Ryan, Sean and Arie to make top 4-6 regardless of Emily's connection. Going by their back row positions in both M&G photo and first ceremony, they were not her top choices on night #1.

In Ali's season, Kirk and Roberto were probably her initial top favorites and Frank an interesting "character" whom Ali grew to like enough for a possible final two dumpee. I was firmly on the Chris Lambton band wagon that season but have realized in hindsight that he came up the ranks later on.

Although both Kiptyn and Reid were in the front row of Jillian's M&G photo, they were not front row in the first rose ceremony like Ed was. Ed was also front row in M&G photo. Alas... she had the hots for Ed in the beginning. Yuck! (Just kiddin'... ha ha!)

Your mind is a trap!

[jjinkc]

I don't know how to pull caps over but I was looking back in the archives for Ben's season because I remembered Bloomers making an observation that in the Ep 5 rose ceremony, the F1, 3 &4 were grouped together and then the F2 was on their own elsewhere in the line up, not necessarily the end. At the point where she noted it, it was only regarding the Ep 5 RC and the pattern had been consistent, for the particular lineup, back to Brad2's season.
Looking at the lineup for Emily's season, it doesn't seem to fit. Sean & Jef are on one end, Chris is clear down at the other and Arie is kind of grouped with Sean/Jef, but Ryan is in between.It is a weird set up for the line up, though,so maybe he would be considered as grouped together.
I was hoping it would have given us an idea of maybe who was supposed to be F2 at this point but I am pretty confident that it wasn't Chris so maybe this pattern is bust, too...

Hey there, jj, tell me which thread to go to, and I'll pull it over here for us.

Sorry, just got back on here. Now trying to remember. I'll be back...

Ok, for Bloomers' post, it's in F1/F2 spoiler & speculation discussion thread #4, near the end, on Jan 25th at 10:30pm. It has the pics and her theory. For this season's, it's in the episode 5 screencaps no discussion, the last page. Thanks!
I have nothing to add to what Bloomer's said, just thought it would be interesting to go back and see what she may have been looking for, especially since she's not been around much. I really miss reading what she has to say

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